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Post by dcdahlia on Jun 10, 2012 17:01:58 GMT
I have oakwood goldcrest,softer gleam and minley carol In my other garden scrumpy.What variety is the sport off.I would be interseted to know how gilwood terry g grows for you scrumpy.
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Post by scrumpy on Jun 10, 2012 17:09:36 GMT
The sport is off Pim's Moonlight. I've kept a few back and will try and grow for the sports class at the Nationals.
Gilwood Terry G is a new one for me so it's a bit of trial and error. It seems a slow grower, but we shall play around with it a bit.
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Post by candyblue on Jun 10, 2012 21:18:02 GMT
Thanks Lou, some of ours are very small too but in they went anyway, we shall see what happens lol
Some varieties we had lots of cuttings off so planted the best ones and the others I need to pot on and we will keep them as pot tubers for next year, plus if the pesky snails and slugs get any I can replace them.
In the ground we have
5 Hillcrest Candy
4 Ruskin Bride
6 Ryecroft Rebel
3 Scaur Swinton
5 Sir Alf Ramsey
2 Kenora Challenger
3 Daleko Jupiter
6 Marys Jomanda
6 Blytons Softer Gleam
3 Brians Dream
5 Ryecroft Brenda T
5 Ruskin Myra
3 Moorplace
2 Minley carol
5 Smallworld
3 Arwens Violet
3 Hillcrest Royal
3 Summer night
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Post by Tel on Jun 11, 2012 6:47:51 GMT
A lot of mine, are looking starved, they have been in their small pots a bit to long with moving house, they have not been potted on.
Will just have to see how they recover now, they are planted out.
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Post by richardr on Jun 11, 2012 14:59:51 GMT
Hi Tel, Haven't been around much lately, I've been busy ... Finished planting out now excepting some that (I hope) we'll plant out late for late flowering at the end of our New Covent Garden season. Guess I've got no excuse for not updating the blog and so forth now!
Good luck everyone with your shows this season.
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Post by Tel on Jun 11, 2012 17:58:59 GMT
You do have a lot to plant out Richard, its been a busy time of year.  |
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Post by richardr on Jun 15, 2012 16:20:19 GMT
Less than I had hoped so around 2,500 I guess. Really need a period of stable weather, no more gales!, light rain, sunshine ...
Still, the land I have is taking shape so should be looking good through August and September when we have our open days.
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Post by snute2008 on Jun 16, 2012 16:48:57 GMT
Guys I have started my planting and I would like to ask about pot tubers. I am growing a number of Poms and I have been advised that for the shows that I might show at I only really need 6 of each variety. I have 8 varities.
I have more than 6 plants, should I choose 6 of the best to plant and use the others as pot tubers? or destroy the plants.
Also, is it necessary to sink the pot tuber pots into the ground? I am just concerned that I may not have enough space of the allotment for a number of pot tubers.
Thanks for your time.
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Post by scrumpy on Jun 16, 2012 19:06:05 GMT
There are two ways of growing for showing. One way is to grow a hell of a lot of plants of each variety, meaning that mathematically the law of averages should ensure you'll have the blooms you want when you want them.
Myself, I choose the other way. Well I have to, i haven't the space. I never grow more than 6 of any variety, some only 4.
and then rely on timing of side buds to get them flowering when I want, meaning i can give the plants a lot more attention than growing vast numbers.
My aim is for one bloom being ready on each plant on show day.
So if a class asks for 5 blooms, then you grow 5 plants of that variety. Touch wood, it's never failed to work for me. And I could time the plants over a 2 week period.
But for national shows, when it's quality you want, then you really have to grow as Tel and DC do. I could get my 5 blooms, but for the perfection needed to win the more the merrier.
Six plants of one variety of your poms in my opinion would be plenty sufficient for a show.
My advice would be to always plant your best plants, and discard those that don't look very good. If that means just 4 of a variety, not 6, then so be it. A bad plant will always be a bad plant.
Decent plants left over in pots should be buried in the soil to make pot tubers. I never use them myself as i prefer to reselect the best performing plants from the garden each year to build up a good stock.
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Post by dcdahlia on Jun 16, 2012 20:11:06 GMT
I grow the opposite to scrumpy snute apart from a seedling I am trying for a friend (which I have 8 of) I grow anywhere from 12 to 30 of a variety depending on the variety,minatures depending on how many stems required I will grow 12 to 16,smalls 20 to 24 and mediums,large and giant 24 to 30.I grow 2 varieties of pom minley carol and gurtla twilight and I grow 12 of each.If I was you I would grow as many of each variety as I had room for and which was managable more plants just gives you more choice on show day but as scrumpy says 6 plants could be sufficient.I have just got a new allotment so this year I have 248 covered and 192 without covers at the moment but if I get chance I will be covering the uncovered area.As regards to pot tubers never throw any plants out unless they look diseased keep them as pot tubers for next year you never know how field tubers will overwinter (I lost all my field tubers 2 winters ago )and they are always there to fall back on I keep about 200.I never sink my pot tubers I put them in a 5 inch pot and store them at home in the back garden and lift them into the greenhouse in the autumn and they do just fine.
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Post by Lou78W on Jun 17, 2012 7:15:46 GMT
Its interesting to read the, in some instances, very different, way growers handle the growing of their plants...all achieving the same result....good blooms for showing. I wish you all the very best for your shows this season ;D
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Post by scrumpy on Jun 17, 2012 8:11:46 GMT
Not only the different ways of growing plants, the different ways of growing each variety.
As an example, Brenda T i'll try 8 up this year. Barbarry Melody 5 up.
So really, i could get away with 5 plants of Brenda, and should have 8 plants of Melody.
It would be useful in Snutes case to have the dates of shows and what sort of classes...is it just the poms?Shows a month apart are more difficult to grow for than shows a week apart for example.
Sounds an interesting show though if 8 varieties of poms are being grown.
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Post by snute2008 on Jun 17, 2012 8:18:26 GMT
Thank you all for your replies they are very interesting.
I am limited to space and bought all my plants this year so could only afford a certain number ( i have about 400). I have decs and semi cactus aswell as the poms.
Next year I will be more selective and produce my own cuttings so could have more of each variety.
I will keep you posted on my developments.
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Post by scrumpy on Jun 17, 2012 8:57:01 GMT
Limited space...400 dahlias....  There was a time when I grew more of fewer varieties before I knew what I was doing to get the blooms. Then when I got a bit better at growing them I found that I was getting a choice of say 9 good blooms but only wanted 3, meaning a lot of blooms were confined to the dustbin. So a few years ago I decided to embark on the fewer plants but more varieties method, and this year I've gone further still, so quite a few varieties I'm doing only 4 of each. This way, the garden is much more colourful. With regards to growing large numbers of a variety, my advice initially would be check out how they grow for you in your soil. Some dahlias are more suited than others to where you are. In my case, amongst others, Gateshead Festival is a cracking bloom but no way on earth can I get it to grow. So i'd go for a wider choice to start, then when you find out what does well, go for the bigger numbers later. |
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Post by snute2008 on Jun 17, 2012 10:33:15 GMT
Yes Scrumpy that was the advice I was given so I have a large variety of different plants. The plan is to show poms but to then try a large number of different others to see which ones grow the best. Most of the plants I bought came from local growers so should be OK.
I say limited as all my local growers grow a lot more than that on their allotments. I dont have a big garden but grow bedding dahlias at home and using the allotment for the dahlias for showing (which are about 240 odd) and ones for cut flowers (the balance).
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