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Post by candyblue on Mar 9, 2011 21:35:48 GMT
I too only grow exhibition ones, had garden ones last year that were very pretty but I lost them in the frosts which helped me make a hard decision
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Post by Geranium on Mar 9, 2011 21:57:45 GMT
Could someone please explain how you tell the difference between show dahlias and garden ones?? Do you buy them from different places, as well?
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Post by Lou78W on Mar 10, 2011 8:20:26 GMT
Now....where do I start......  ....its all to do with form Geranium, shape of blooms, how they are held on the stem, petal shape; the way they lie, number of petals...some have too many.some not enough.....does that help........I'm sure Tel will be along soon to explain it better  ...and perhaps show you some comparisons........I think someone has already asked this question on one of the dahlia threads....... |
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Post by Tel on Mar 10, 2011 9:56:05 GMT
Now....where do I start...... ....its all to do with form Geranium, shape of blooms, how they are held on the stem, petal shape; the way they lie, number of petals...some have too many.some not enough.....does that help........I'm sure Tel will be along soon to explain it better ...and perhaps show you some comparisons........I think someone has already asked this question on one of the dahlia threads....... Straightness of the stems, angle of the blooms on the stem. A cactus garden dahlia. you can see some of the petals are not as straight as show dahlias  Cactus, Ruskin Respectable, show dahlia.  |
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Post by Geranium on Mar 10, 2011 11:00:38 GMT
So, basically, you have to know the growing habit of particular dahlias - and presumably, many dahlias are known as good 'show' plants, are they?
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Post by scrumpy on Mar 10, 2011 11:31:31 GMT
Could someone please explain how you tell the difference between show dahlias and garden ones?? Do you buy them from different places, as well? I get mine from halls of heddon and station house nurseries. If you like giant dahlias and choose fairway spur from Station house, that's my stock  |
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Post by scrumpy on Mar 10, 2011 11:35:01 GMT
Now....where do I start...... ....its all to do with form Geranium, shape of blooms, how they are held on the stem, petal shape; the way they lie, number of petals...some have too many.some not enough.....does that help........I'm sure Tel will be along soon to explain it better ...and perhaps show you some comparisons........I think someone has already asked this question on one of the dahlia threads....... Straightness of the stems, angle of the blooms on the stem. A cactus garden dahlia. you can see some of the petals are not as straight as show dahlias Cactus, Ruskin Respectable, show dahlia. that one on the right looks a bit young |
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Post by scrumpy on Mar 10, 2011 11:48:10 GMT
So, basically, you have to know the growing habit of particular dahlias - and presumably, many dahlias are known as good 'show' plants, are they? the specialist nurseries classify their plants as suitable for exhibition, cut flower, and garden. So an exhibition dahlia can be all 3. Some, like Kiwi Gloria, would be Exhibition only....that and it's offspring tend to win everything, but it needs a lot of work. Don't know what Tel thinks but maybe at the nationals they should have a class for the "kiwis" and then for the rest of the small cactus classes have any variety except the kiwis. |
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Post by Geranium on Mar 10, 2011 12:20:01 GMT
Thank for the explanations - I'm learning! ;D
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Post by scrumpy on Mar 10, 2011 12:52:45 GMT
Heres one classed as exhibition and garden and cut flower...Lakeland Summer. It's a small semi cactus that grows well, but in my case it grows too big for exhibition, even when grown 10 up and using side buds for the blooms.  Incredible stems on it.  And here it is in all it's glory...got about 3 days to go before it's fully ready  |
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Post by Tel on Mar 10, 2011 13:41:39 GMT
So, basically, you have to know the growing habit of particular dahlias - and presumably, many dahlias are known as good 'show' plants, are they? the specialist nurseries classify their plants as suitable for exhibition, cut flower, and garden. So an exhibition dahlia can be all 3. Some, like Kiwi Gloria, would be Exhibition only....that and it's offspring tend to win everything, but it needs a lot of work. Don't know what Tel thinks but maybe at the nationals they should have a class for the "kiwis" and then for the rest of the small cactus classes have any variety except the kiwis. I agree with what scrumpy says about the Kiwi's, maybe the NDS should look at a separate class for these, this would then encourage growers to grow and show other cactus varieties, the Kiwi's at this moment in time, are too dominate and 9 times out of ten they win the class. They do have seperate Championships now at the National for small cactus and the small semi cactus I suppose over the last 10 years or so you could say the same for the Large Semi Cactus, Kenora Challenger. |
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Post by Lou78W on Mar 10, 2011 14:24:16 GMT
Heres one classed as exhibition and garden and cut flower...Lakeland Summer. It's a small semi cactus that grows well, but in my case it grows too big for exhibition, even when grown 10 up and using side buds for the blooms. Incredible stems on it. And here it is in all it's glory...got about 3 days to go before it's fully ready A lovely variety Scrumpy ;D...perhaps if you ask them nicely they would re-clasify it as a medium semi-cactus?.... |
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Post by scrumpy on Mar 10, 2011 14:53:25 GMT
letter on it's way....suggested a new class for small medium semi cactus |
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Post by Geranium on Mar 10, 2011 15:02:52 GMT
Sorry to keep asking questions - but what's a 'kiwi' please, (apart from a New Zealander?  ) |
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Post by Lou78W on Mar 10, 2011 15:04:28 GMT
Good ;D....let us know when you get a reply |
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....its all to do with form Geranium, shape of blooms, how they are held on the stem, petal shape; the way they lie, number of petals...some have too many.some not enough.....does that help........I'm sure Tel will be along soon to explain it better 
...and perhaps show you some comparisons........I think someone has already asked this question on one of the dahlia threads.......
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