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Post by roofgardener on Jan 12, 2016 16:06:24 GMT
I wanted to grow some Philadelphus (not sure which variety yet) from seed, but I am having GREAT difficulty finding a company that sells them.
Obviously, I've tried T+M, but they don't seem to sell the seeds ?
I've tried Ebay; you can buy ready-grown shrublets in pots, but not really the seeds.
Does anyone have any ideas ?
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Post by peony on Jan 12, 2016 16:25:48 GMT
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Post by roofgardener on Jan 12, 2016 16:41:42 GMT
They DO , peony, but the only variety I have found there is the Lewisii, which may be a bit TOO tall for my sister's garden. I was hoping for something like Philadelphu Virginal. T+M DO sell the plant (bare root), and I suspect that I may have to settle for that ? |
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Post by peony on Jan 12, 2016 17:07:19 GMT
They DO , peony, but the only variety I have found there is the Lewisii, which may be a bit TOO tall for my sister's garden. I was hoping for something like Philadelphu Virginal. T+M DO sell the plant (bare root), and I suspect that I may have to settle for that ? They can grow very big, the Philadelphus that I inherited when we moved here grows to 10' and has to be pruned back every year. Better to buy a named variety that states final height and spread  |
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Post by Lou78W on Jan 12, 2016 17:31:13 GMT
I've never seen seed on sale..imagine they would take an awful long time to get to flowering size and probably wouldn't be true to type..think they are only propagated from cuttings? Bare root is your best bet....
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Post by roofgardener on Jan 12, 2016 19:56:08 GMT
AOK.... THANKS FOR THAT Lou78W - and peony. Now... help me out... What does "bare root" mean, in this context ? You literally get a parcel with a plant and roots... not in a pot or anything ? How does that survive the journey ? As for final height/spread... yeah... I picked up on that peony ... still pondering. Perhaps it would just be a case of diligent pruning ? |
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Post by peony on Jan 12, 2016 20:15:00 GMT
AOK.... THANKS FOR THAT Lou78W - and peony . Now... help me out... What does "bare root" mean, in this context ? You literally get a parcel with a plant and roots... not in a pot or anything ? How does that survive the journey ? As for final height/spread... yeah... I picked up on that peony ... still pondering. Perhaps it would just be a case of diligent pruning ? There is a dwarf slow-growing Philadelphus (see on the Crocus website) called 'Manteau d'Hermine' with double creamy white flowers which only grows to 0.75m which might be suitable |
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Post by roofgardener on Jan 12, 2016 20:27:05 GMT
Sounds good ! |
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Post by daitheplant on Jan 12, 2016 21:35:38 GMT
Roofus, if your sister wants a dwarf, scented plant, why not go for Mexican Orange Blossom, Choisya ternata? Or you could go for Choisya ternata Aztec Gold. It is even evergreen.
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Post by roofgardener on Jan 12, 2016 21:47:03 GMT
Funny you say that daitheplant.... that was my first choice, but I was convinced by my parents that ".. I must have been mistaken". Can you confirm that both produce the characteristic scent ? Wait.. actually... you just did. Grrrr.... I should stick to vegetables. They're EASY compared to some of this decorative/scented bush stuff. I mean... it's not even a PLANT... it's a BUSH.. thats practically a TREE. aaaaaaaargh. |
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Post by SueA on Jan 12, 2016 22:56:40 GMT
Roofy bare root does literally mean with bare roots, you usually get the plant delivered in a big brown paper bag type thing, sometimes they have a plastic bag over the roots, sometimes nothing at all but they are fine, usually they advise you to soak the roots in a bucket of water for a couple of hours or overnight before you plant them. Bare root roses , shrubs, fruit trees etc. arrive looking like a dead twig but spring back to life once they're planted.
I've got philadelphus which I grew from a cutting, no idea which variety, I'll have to ask the council, it was from the clippings at the side of the road years ago & I have it in a pot so it stays manageable. I've got a choisya too in a large pot & as Dai says that has a gorgeous scent & is evergreen.
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Post by KC on Jan 13, 2016 14:04:42 GMT
I have bought a ton of stuff (ok so that MIGHT be a SLIGHT exaggeration lol) bare root roofgardener and I've never had any problems so try not to let bare root put you off making a purchase  |
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Post by roofgardener on Jan 13, 2016 14:17:52 GMT
Thanks for that folks, I think on balance I'm leaning towards daitheplant's suggestion about the Choicya "Aztec Gold", as it was the Mexican Orange Blossom that I was originally going for, prior to side-tracking myself with Philadelphia. the only problem with THAT is that - thus far - nobody seems to even sell 'bare roots' - only in an existing pot, which is a tad expensive. Still.... if that's what it takes, then... so be it |
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Post by daitheplant on Jan 13, 2016 20:16:32 GMT
You could always buy a smallish one Roofus.  Sue, the odds are, your cutting is of P.virginal.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2016 20:26:47 GMT
Roofie Parkers have them at £5 each or 3 for £10. I've had a lot of success with hard wood cuttings from deciduous shrubs. I've just pushed hardwood cuttings into a narrow trench with a bit of grit sand in the bottom, half in half out. In Autumn of course/in a cold frame or sheltered spot. In spring you'll find many are rooted and growing away. Free plants get my vote! www.jparkers.co.uk/philadelphus-virginal-mock-orange-0002046C |
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Sue, the odds are, your cutting is of P.virginal. 
