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Post by Raymond on Nov 13, 2014 15:54:23 GMT
I have re read my schedule small ball not really needed would get more use from a large Pom shortlisted ms Kennedy.
Do any of you know who has Ruskin sensation ?
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Post by robh on Nov 13, 2014 17:48:04 GMT
does anyone know where i can get the following dahlias jesse g purple the jessie g i have obtained is not purple and also danum artic it was grown by hoscroft in doncaster useual places dont stock it it may be a dahlia consighned to the compost heap
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Post by scrumpy on Nov 13, 2014 18:34:27 GMT
  Another one then for Ian, which of these Winholmes is the best? |
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Post by Ian k on Nov 13, 2014 19:25:29 GMT
Good Evening Scrumpy I would say the bottom bloom is the better a lot more depth as the top bloom is still young at least a week in it.
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Post by Tel on Nov 13, 2014 19:33:53 GMT
Good Evening Scrumpy I would say the bottom bloom is the better a lot more depth as the top bloom is still young at least a week in it. Well if those two were on my plot, it would be the right hand bloom that would be going to the show. The debate on the small ball, I cannot recall a small ball been entered in what I call a mixed championship class. Maybe because Small ball and medium decs do not have the form to be used in that kind of Championship. Fine in their own classes. Well that's my opinion for what its worth.  |
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Post by Moonlight on Nov 13, 2014 21:00:18 GMT
Good Evening Scrumpy I would say the bottom bloom is the better a lot more depth as the top bloom is still young at least a week in it. Well if those two were on my plot, it would be the right hand bloom that would be going to the show. The debate on the small ball, I cannot recall a small ball been entered in what I call a mixed championship class. Maybe because Small ball and medium decs do not have the form to be used in that kind of Championship. Fine in their own classes. Well that's my opinion for what its worth.
What we need is someone to introduce a strong small ball seedling - pref a nice deep purple or dark red.
Over to you Tel! Scrumpy, you've saved seed as well - or am I just getting muddled. (Me I've got my fingers crossed for something small and spiky!) (small as in smaller than big, not prescribing a ring size!)
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Post by Ian k on Nov 13, 2014 21:22:48 GMT
Hi Tel I think a lot of exhibitors go for the safer option, small decs and mini dec have got a lot better form
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Post by Moonlight on Nov 13, 2014 21:33:57 GMT
So for the 'biggies' what are the combinations that people tend to exhibit - successfully  ?
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Post by Ian k on Nov 13, 2014 21:42:25 GMT
Good Evening Moonlight a lot of growers tend to go with Kenora Challanger, Winholme Diane, Kiwi Gloria, Eastwood Moonlight, Mary's Jomanda, or Marston Lilac.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2014 22:00:25 GMT
Good Evening Moonlight a lot of growers tend to go with Kenora Challanger, Winholme Diane, Kiwi Gloria, Eastwood Moonlight, Mary's Jomanda, or Marston Lilac. But, does that mean that judging has become short sighted to other varieties, meaning exhibitors only produce a certain range of plants, in line with what they think the judges are looking. Thus becoming afraid to show a wider group of cultivars. |
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Post by Ian k on Nov 13, 2014 22:10:59 GMT
Good Evening Markymate yes I do believe exhibitors are growing a certain plant but these varieties are tried and tested and are proven winning varieties. I don't think judges are short sighted it is just exhibitors as you say are frightened to show other varieties, at the moment as their is nothing that can live with these varieties.
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Post by Raymond on Nov 13, 2014 22:33:30 GMT
Good evening everyone  The reason I asked about small ball was in my schedule that I could show in it said Ball or large Pom as I am already doing Mary's Jomanda as min I thought I should be doing a small ball. In hindsight I should be looking at a second min ball backup or a large Pom. If anyone is interested here is my provisional list for 2015 Still playing with the numbers. I will only be going for 2 shows maybe 3 in First season Winholm Diane ryecroft zoe hillcrest Jersie Mary's Jomanda dikara superb Weston pirate Weston Spanish dancer Hapet ideal as bi colour and min semi cactus hillcrest candy minley Carol Display in front also back up varieties Staleen condesa kelsea Carla pink suffusion or senzoe Ursula or Brenda t Marston lilac and another to be picked hapet pearl and hapet daydream ( David hall says pearl has excellent form so we will see ) Oakwood goldcrest or a kiwi cameo and Gwyneth or another. Clearview Sundance to dabble with a large Another 2 medium cactus or semi cactus to try a medium Dec probably kismet Ac Abby and Clearview Debby let's see if any good. Hapet vinete Plus various single plants for show like fimbriated Main show ones from 4 plants up to 8 . Display from singles up to 4 or 5 . Main focus on small and min cactus and semi cactus and min and small Dec and ball. Not doing any giants or large Dec and still to fit in collarettes. All the above can still change and more than likely Will many times   At my members tuber sale next week so will see what they have . All the best  |
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Post by Moonlight on Nov 13, 2014 22:36:25 GMT
Good Evening Moonlight a lot of growers tend to go with Kenora Challanger, Winholme Diane, Kiwi Gloria, Eastwood Moonlight, Mary's Jomanda, or Marston Lilac. But, does that mean that judging has become short sighted to other varieties, meaning exhibitors only produce a certain range of plants, in line with what they think the judges are looking. Thus becoming afraid to show a wider group of cultivars.
But they don't. It gets to the point where other people stop entering other varieties which is a shame.
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Post by dahliadave on Nov 13, 2014 22:51:30 GMT
Some of our decs looked more like balls this year than the balls did- and vice versa. L.A.T.E was a MinB- then MinD and now a MInB again! David Digweed sat happily for many a year as an SD and is now an SB! Almost infinite variations of petal formation between varieties and different soil types and conditions give different petal formations within the same variety. There was discussion earlier in the season along similar lines and there is a face book group ISO Dahlias which had quite a heated debate about 12 months ago. The debate will go on but fir anyone interested we started our lifting this week. Got all the Giant and Large Decs yesterday and today we lifted and washed 1680 field tubers (7 of us!) -some th size of footballs!! Only another 3000 or so to go now! |
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Post by Raymond on Nov 13, 2014 22:55:59 GMT
Some of our decs looked more like balls this year than the balls did- and vice versa. L.A.T.E was a MinB- then MinD and now a MInB again! David Digweed sat happily for many a year as an SD and is now an SB! Almost infinite variations of petal formation between varieties and different soil types and conditions give different petal formations within the same variety. There was discussion earlier in the season along similar lines and there is a face book group ISO Dahlias which had quite a heated debate about 12 months ago. The debate will go on but fir anyone interested we started our lifting this week. Got all the Giant and Large Decs yesterday and today we lifted and washed 1680 field tubers (7 of us!) -some th size of footballs!! Only another 3000 or so to go now! Good luck with the lifting David ! Love to see a pic of that giant tuber ! |
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The reason I asked about small ball was in my schedule that I could show in it said 
