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Post by SueA on Sept 24, 2015 20:08:59 GMT
Hope they arrive quickly for you Roofy, you could always get a bag of autumn planting onion or shallot sets as well to give you a head start, you can pick them up for a couple of pounds in lots of garden centres at this time of year or online.
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Post by roofgardener on Sept 25, 2015 11:48:17 GMT
' tis true, SueA. My original Japanese Overwhelming Onions where done that way ! They sell them for a couple of quid (for 50) at the Victoria Center Market. Perhaps I SHOULD get some, as a precaution ?
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Post by roofgardener on Sept 25, 2015 20:04:20 GMT
Exhibition Onion News
OooooKAY. I've got pots of information about germinating my (potential) Show Onions. But how about planting them on ? Weeell... the advise from Robinsons reads thusly... "Prepare the bed with two forkfulls of Pea Haulms, and a wheelbarrow of Rotted Horse Manure, for each three square yards" How cool is THIS ? I actually UNDERSTAND that ? A year ago, they may as well have been speaking Greek. RIGHT.... my Runner Beans, plus my Second Planting of peas, produced neither runner beans or peas, but they HAVE produced lots of Haulms, which I will dutifully harvest. (tick) A colleage at work owns a horse, and can provide me with BUCKET-LOADS of well-rotted horse manure. (tick) So I need to mix them altogether in one of my larger Plastic Boxes. Whats next ? Stir in the tears of a maiden pure And the sweat of a thrice-brindled unicorn
Hmmm....that COULD be a problem. "Maiden Pure's" are not common in Mapperley. OK.. whats the rest of it ? Fillet of a fenny snake, In the caldron boil and bake; Eye of newt, and toe of frog, Wool of bat, and tongue of dog, Adder's fork, and blind-worm's sting, Lizard's leg, and owlet's wing,—
Oh, thats just downright obscure I mean... REALLY... where am I going to find a CAULDRON in this day and age ? Wilko's don't stock them ? Hmmm... I wonder if a disposable barbecue tray will be acceptable ? I'll get back to you on this one !
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Post by dianthus on Sept 25, 2015 23:52:30 GMT
*chuckles merrily*
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Post by markb on Sept 26, 2015 18:26:42 GMT
Spilt my coffee reading this roofy, still chuckling now. About time 'Witch?' magazine did a cauldron review. Seriously, though, the Robinsons advice might be ok in an allotment but not essential even there. So, to pot your plants on all you need is a good quality potting compost/multi-purpose compost (I use Jack's Magic at the moment). First potting can be into 3 inch pots, second potting into 5 inch pots with a similar compost. For the final potting a stronger mix would be needed. I usually mix my own using four parts potting compost, 4 parts John Innes No 3 plus some added slow release fertiliser (Osmocote Exact). Although I have 50-litre pots, I was reminded the other day that 20-litre pots have grown onions which won the National Championships. Should have remembered that as I now need 1,000 litres of compost for 20 pots
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Post by roofgardener on Sept 27, 2015 8:50:03 GMT
Thanks for that advice markb.
The "eye of toad" compost was just for preparing the outdoor beds; I can use regular potting compost at the seedling stage. I'm not sure how many litres my current "final" pots are; I'll check that today. My thinking was only to "bring on" a relatively small number of large competition onions... perhaps ten or so ? Ultimately, I'm constrained by the structural loading limits on my roofgarden !
One American website recommended extending the "working day" in northern climates by using artificial "grow lights". (assuming that the onions are being grown in a greenhouse).
You can get low-wattage LED lights these days quite cheaply. I've seen some at only £20-ish, using only 45W, which I can afford to buy, and also run. The idea would be to use an optical sensor and a timer switch together to allow the lights to come on during the day if light levels are too low, but to limit them to (say) 06:00 - 20:00 so they are not burning away all night.
Do you have any thoughts/experience of this sort of thing ?
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Post by markb on Sept 27, 2015 10:34:56 GMT
Morning roofy. Just re-read my post above and realised that I was not very clear with the compost used. Where it says final potting I should have said potting into the 50 litre pots, which I use instead of growing in open ground. As weight is a factor you could just use a good peat-based multi-purpose compost with added slow release fertiliser which would be lighter in weight to fill your outdoor beds. The reason I use pots to grow them to maturity is so I can move them under cover if weather is too wet, or into a cool spot if too hot.
As for growing on under lights I have used a propagator light to help root dahlia cuttings but not to grow on onions. A lot of top exhibitors now use grow lights for onions and they are on for 24 hours a day from time of sowing (usually November) until March when lighting is reduce slowly to 16 hours per day. To be honest I would only consider using them if I was growing several hundred.
Like you I am not growing many and I am hoping to buy plants in from another exhibitor (probably Medwyns of Anglesey). The plants are not cheap but it is less bother than setting up a growing system indoors.
Hope this helps.
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Post by Moonlight on Sept 27, 2015 16:40:31 GMT
I never knew onions would be so complicated.
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Post by roofgardener on Sept 27, 2015 16:46:06 GMT
Onion growing - like the onion itself - is a multi-layered thing. Peel away one layer, and a new one is revealed. Frequently, tears are involved !
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Post by markb on Sept 27, 2015 17:23:45 GMT
I never knew onions would be so complicated. Exhibitors of most plants seem to like to complicate things. Me, I would rather keep it simple - as long as that gets results
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Post by dianthus on Sept 27, 2015 18:37:25 GMT
I never knew onions would be so complicated. Nor me, Moonlight
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Post by roofgardener on Sept 27, 2015 19:20:08 GMT
Hmmm... good points. I know what I'm going to do. I'll attempt to germinate (and grow on) SOME competition onions in a straightforwards Growhouse... no heating, lighting, or gadgets. And the others will have all the benefits of my 5-Star delux Polytunnel, with en-suite lighting, heating, Internet Access,Health Spa, nail-boutique, and - of course - Comfy Chair (with cushions). If the Spa-grown onions do NOT grow bigger than the Youth Hostel onions, I will have the Mother of All Hissing Fits ! Should be interesting. I may even sell tickets to the event ?
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Post by dianthus on Sept 27, 2015 19:31:28 GMT
* chuckles merrily*
Antiques roadshow, Downton and the rooftop musings make a wonderful Sunday evening.
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Post by roofgardener on Sept 27, 2015 19:36:24 GMT
You're implying that I'm an antique ?
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Post by daitheplant on Sept 27, 2015 19:37:05 GMT
I will back the Youth Hostel onion.
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