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Post by johnjess on Jan 27, 2017 13:09:59 GMT
Hi all,
I have managed to get a few of my last years tubers through the winter and decided to have a go at taking cuttings for the first time. i have only set up one tuber as this is purely an experiment to see if I can get them to grow.
So I set up the tuber in compost in a shallow tray and put it into my heated propogator. About a week ago there were signs of life showing and now have some shoots.
However from under the tuber there are appearing fine white (hairy) roots . My question is is this normal for roots to appear on the surface of the compost?
Or is the tray it is set up in to shallow, do I need to move the tuber to a deeper tray?
Sorry for so many questions and thanks in advance for any replies.
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Post by ian on Jan 27, 2017 14:29:42 GMT
Hi JohnJess, No need to apologies for your questions. Your tubers will be fine as long as there is some compost that can be kept a little moist. Don't put the propagators lid on you can take the tubers out from the propagator if they have started to shoot as you will need the propagator to root the cuttings, unless you have space in the propagator for bot the tubers and cuttings. You don't really want the tubers in with the lid on as they can rot. As the weeks go on the tubers will produce more cuttings without the bottom heat and you will need the space in your propagator anyway. Make sure you water your tubers keeping the compost moist try to avoid excess moisture around the necks of the tubers. Don't be in a rush its still early days.
Have you looked on the National Dahlia web site there is a link to our Facebook page were you can ask any questions and you will get a response or many responses on there and read other posts. Hope this has helped JohnJess
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Post by johnjess on Jan 27, 2017 17:15:41 GMT
Hi Ian , thanks for taking the time to reply, you've set my mind at rest!
I did have the propagator lid on(now removed) and its good news that the tuber won't need so much heat now that there is growth. I was wondering how I would fit in a tray with cuttings and the tuber in as well! I'll move the tuber to a window sill which has a radiator under it just to keep it cozy!!
I regularly read the NDS Facebook page to try and glean as much info as I can and am also a regular viewer of David Gillam's videos on Youtube.
A bit of an obsession at the moment!!! Hopefully a Beginners 2017 thread will appear soon and I'll can post my queries in there.
Thanks again
Johnjess
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Post by johndoe on Jan 27, 2017 17:55:11 GMT
Hi Ian , thanks for taking the time to reply, you've set my mind at rest! I did have the propagator lid on(now removed) and its good news that the tuber won't need so much heat now that there is growth. I was wondering how I would fit in a tray with cuttings and the tuber in as well! I'll move the tuber to a window sill which has a radiator under it just to keep it cozy!! I regularly read the NDS Facebook page to try and glean as much info as I can and am also a regular viewer of David Gillam's videos on Youtube. A bit of an obsession at the moment!!! Hopefully a Beginners 2017 thread will appear soon and I'll can post my queries in there. Thanks again Johnjess Hi Johnjess. Don't worry about a beginners thread, you can post in the 2017 season thread. You'll find on here, and the NDS facebook page, all the help you'll need to grow your dahlias to the best you want too. Never worry about asking what you think might be a stupid question, we've all been there, believe me . Just ask away
And if you think it's an obsession now, boy, you're in for a cracking ride
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Post by johnjess on Jan 27, 2017 20:38:46 GMT
Thanks johndoe, I'll do that.
First time taking cuttings so looking forward to the challenge !
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Post by ian on Jan 27, 2017 20:50:56 GMT
Johnjess don't worry about getting in a tray into your propagator just use small square pots with a 50/50 mix of sharp sand and peat or compost rubbed together with enough moisture to just hold it together. Your cuttings are then just inserted down the side of the pot with a lable then the pot can be placed in your propagator then you can lift it out as you require
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Post by johnjess on Jan 27, 2017 22:49:11 GMT
Ian thanks, I did buy some cell trays recently when I was shopping in Home base, I was intending to use those for the cuttings. Would you recommend the pots over them?
The other things I bought in preparation were hormone powder,rooting compost and sand. The propogator I have is a 52x42cm heated one though not with thermostat.
Hopefully that will get me started. I had thought of getting square pots which would fit in the propogator later on in the process but haven't made that purchase yet. Labels are now on my list though thanks.
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Post by johndoe on Jan 28, 2017 11:08:46 GMT
Ian thanks, I did buy some cell trays recently when I was shopping in Home base, I was intending to use those for the cuttings. Would you recommend the pots over them? The other things I bought in preparation were hormone powder,rooting compost and sand. The propogator I have is a 52x42cm heated one though not with thermostat. Hopefully that will get me started. I had thought of getting square pots which would fit in the propogator later on in the process but haven't made that purchase yet. Labels are now on my list though thanks. Hi Johnjess, you'll need to able to control the heat under your cuttings. Without a thermostat, you won't be able to achieve this. You will need to have a temperature of around 16'C under your plants, and a fine spray bottle.
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Post by johnjess on Jan 30, 2017 10:23:57 GMT
Hi johndoe, thank you I'll get a thermometer and see what temperature it is putting out.
Loads of shoots coming on the tuber now, one up to 2.5 inches or so .
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Post by ian on Jan 30, 2017 10:33:13 GMT
Hi Johnjess, if you have a thermometer check the temperature with the lid on and the lid off. those propagators are preset to a temp probably 18-20C which will be ok. You do not need to put sand in the propagator if you are only planning on doing few of each cuttings then the small square pots are ideal using the mix 50/50 mix as before. Yes you can use the powder rooting compound as we get later on taking cuttings you will find they will root without indeed there are many that root without. As my understudy says JD a atomizer to spray the cutting periodically is required. If the cuttings you are taking have large leaves these are better reduced to reduce transpiration (loss of moisture from the cutting through the leaf)you want the cutting to remain turgid. Now once your cuttings are rooted they really don't need to go back into the propagator place them on the bench if room some place them on heat for a couple of days but that isn't necessary. May your brush with the Dahlia become a real obsession just remember the bug will bite and when it does then your holed. Good luck and all the best. Where are you based? the National Dahlia society has there AGM on the 19 March Sunday held in Kenilworth where there will be plants available to buy,lectures and a chance to meet like minded Dahlia Nuts, well some aren't like minded they are described as others. The Northern Committee of the National Society holds its AGM on the Saturday 25th March at Crooklands near Kendal (Similar to the National AGM but ours is better)lots more plants available and friendlier advice. You will be more than welcome to join us and I am sure someone will take you subs off of you. Ian
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Post by johnjess on Jan 30, 2017 15:40:53 GMT
Hi ian and johndoe,
I'd like to thank you both very much for taking the time to advise a complete novice it is really very kind of you. To use an analogy, I feel it is a bit like a Sunday morning football player getting coaching advice from Premier league coaches!!!
Thanks again guys.
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Post by johndoe on Jan 30, 2017 16:23:32 GMT
Hi ian and johndoe, I'd like to thank you both very much for taking the time to advise a complete novice it is really very kind of you. To use an analogy, I feel it is a bit like a Sunday morning football player getting coaching advice from Premier league coaches!!! Thanks again guys. Ian's the premier league coach, I've just been promoted to the third division .
Just like to help as much as I can, as others have help me since I got bit by dahlia madness. And believe me, there's no vaccine
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