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Post by Rusty Nail on Oct 24, 2021 22:37:32 GMT
I was really glad when Monty finally told us about his tall yellow flowers that had been shown several times during the programme. But it only emphasised a long-running conundrum when he introduced it as a Rudbeckia - cos' we've got some in our garden. A few years ago I obtained two plant clumps from friends. One friend works in Sheffield Botanical Gardens, the other lives in our village and owns a small garden centre near Macclesfield. The plant from Sheffield is labelled as Helianthus x laetiflorus 'Miss Mellish'. The one from my other friend was described as a Rudbeckia. Now both clumps have matured into stunning displays but, try as I might, I've never been able to tell the difference between them so can only conclude that one was incorrectly named. Any thoughts?
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Post by grindle on Oct 25, 2021 3:15:49 GMT
I would think it's more like Helianthus laetiflorus this image is from RHS, whereas Rudbeckia is a different shape flower
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Post by SueA on Oct 25, 2021 7:56:34 GMT
Hi Rusty Nail, I think both your pics. look like helianthus not rudbeckias which usually have a more raised centre with the petals falling away downwards from them like those in grindle's second pic. These are some of my rudbeckias from the last few years, they come in different colours apart from pale yellow as well. Rudbeckia Goldsturm, perennial Rudbeckia gloriosa, half-hardy usually treated as an annual Seed grown annual rudbeckias.
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Post by Rusty Nail on Oct 25, 2021 13:05:59 GMT
Thanks both. Yes that's what I thought when Monty introduced it. I think there must be some uncertainty in the trade as Chris (the garden-centre owner) insists his is Rudbeckia.
Yes we grow 'Goldstrum' Sue. It's one of those real do-ers. Wouldn't be without it! Anne (my better half) grows an annual Rudbeckia similar to your 'gloriosa' from seed each year. It's a lovely variety called 'Rustic Dwarf', although they seem to be getting less 'dwarf' lately.
As for our perennial sunflower (there, I've said it!) - it's a real thug, spreading by rhizomes a couple of inches down. One clump was planted in a bed in the back garden, the other at the front. Both have bulked up massively and invaded upto a metre in 2 years, taking no prisoners. It's started coming up in the lawn, which makes it difficult to have a 'no-mow' policy in those areas. I've just come in from finally digging big sections out of the beds. I've potted a few bits up (not sure why really) but sadly I've chucked loads of it away, which really breaks my heart. I know Chris removes quite a lot from his garden most years but I've never seen any of it for sale in his garden centre. Maybe now I know why!
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Post by grindle on Oct 26, 2021 4:31:59 GMT
I've had that one, ended up digging it all out, I've found Lemon Queen is much better behaved, it does spread but very slowly
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Post by Rusty Nail on Oct 26, 2021 10:57:56 GMT
Yes I like Lemon Queen but was put off it a bit when I saw it for sale at Arley Hall Gardens nursery. All the young plants (or offshoots from the dsiplay beds) were so tall all the pots were lying on their side having blown over.
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Post by grindle on Oct 27, 2021 4:58:00 GMT
mine is in the front garden and gets blasted by winds it stands up very well to whatever is thrown at it
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Post by meadowland on Mar 8, 2022 12:50:55 GMT
I was really glad when Monty finally told us about his tall yellow flowers that had been shown several times during the programme. But it only emphasised a long-running conundrum when he introduced it as a Rudbeckia - cos' we've got some in our garden. A few years ago I obtained two plant clumps from friends. One friend works in Sheffield Botanical Gardens, the other lives in our village and owns a small garden centre near Macclesfield. The plant from Sheffield is labelled as Helianthus x laetiflorus 'Miss Mellish'. The one from my other friend was described as a Rudbeckia. Now both clumps have matured into stunning displays but, try as I might, I've never been able to tell the difference between them so can only conclude that one was incorrectly named. Any thoughts?
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