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Post by Raymond on Aug 14, 2014 8:58:48 GMT
Hi thanks to you both for the replies. I decided to try dahlias on a whim new house bigger garden lots of mature shrubs but no colour and bought box packs in a garden centre . Now I am hooked ! I added some more single varieties in late.
This is what I have grown
Red Bergers record med cactus Mignon firebird red small single Garden wonder med dec. still to flower Little tiger dwarf dec border Nescio dwarf pompom Red pygmy still to flower as fox decapitated it is now in bud
Pink
Parc princess small cactus Hartenas collarette Ball peter small ball Stole von Berlin small pompom very slow grower not even budding Gerrie hoek lost this one went rotten Elga med cactus poor grower
White My love med cactus Fleurel large dec cannot get flowers to stay up Playa blanca small cactus White aster pompom White perfection med dec just opening now Mignon sneezy single
Orange
Garden princess med dec Ludwig helfert med cactus Glorie van noordwijk med dec although it is not this opened as a semi double so unidentified Sylvia ball Banting pompom mini Mignon giggle single first of all to flower
Lilac
Jean Marie med dec bicolour Fern cliff illusion med dec Crazy love med dec
Misc
Black touch best of the lot med cactus Lake Michigan med dec stunning colour Hy pimento med cactus Fire and ice dwarf bicolour Tahiti sunrise but is not is salmon colour med cac with yellow tinge but nice Pooh collarette Sir alf Ramsey not even budding and is huge plant Moms special in bud large dec Thomas Edison in bud large dec Mignon sunshine called that but looks like moonfire single Twinings smartie Impression fabula collarette
Plus 20 misc bedding ones I bought pot grown from the market and some ones from pound land as an experiment
My favourite ones so
Lake Michigan purple lilac med de Jean Marie bicolour Black touch Tahiti sunrise but not Tahiti sunrise Fern cliff illusion Little tiger Moonfire Pooh Bergers record Fleurel blooms huge if only they stayed up very heavy Ball peter Parc princess Garden princess Ludwig helfert
Looking at the following for 2015 seen others also as I am making another dahlia bed in the front garden. Englehardts matador Weston Spanish dancer Waltzing Matilda Mayan pearl Hillcrest royal Grenidor pastelle Pink Jupiter Little Robert Jescot Julie Myrtles follie Hillcrest candy Feu follet Kenora sunset
Not doing small pompom I don't like them to small . Ball is nice. Most singles going also
I find on most of the dahlia sites they talk more about bloom size rather than height of plant. Eg national dahlia collection
If you have any suggestions on early blooming varieties that are strong performers I would be very grateful. Also should I grow from tubor or rooted cuttings ? Don't have glass greenhouse only plastic ones another project for next year after kitchen is done !
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Post by Raymond on Aug 14, 2014 9:01:18 GMT
Wow ! Stunning . How do you post pics on here I will post mine
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Post by Raymond on Aug 14, 2014 9:22:04 GMT
Hi all I have grown dahlias for the first time this year not Looking to show in the future but looking for some advise on heavy flowering varieties for 2015. Have so far picked 30 I want but Looking for some reliable and not to tall max 1m for my main border. Planning to try up to 80 plants have grown 58 this year only 4 so far not flowering. All from tubors. Must say some amazing images on here making me very envious ! Welcome to the forum newbie6. I don't show, but I grow many dahlias for garden display. I started buy from mainstream garden centres, but soon learned that un-reliable labelling, and poor quality tubers made for frustrating results. Now after a few years experience, I either take cuttings from my own tubers, or buy cuttings from dahlia growers only. Halls of Heddon is a good starting place, but I can recommend some others as well. These are some of the dahlias I grow. This picture was taken after the heavy showers, so their looking a bit tattered . I get so much enjoyment from doing my own cuttings, but just love dahlias, especially the giants and large.. Happy growing and if you need any advice, this will be the place to find it. Don't be afraid to ask!!!
wow stunning Mark love it I have learned so much this year already ! From the successes and failures
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Post by Raymond on Aug 14, 2014 10:44:06 GMT
Welcome to the forum newbie6. I don't show, but I grow many dahlias for garden display. I started buy from mainstream garden centres, but soon learned that un-reliable labelling, and poor quality tubers made for frustrating results. Now after a few years experience, I either take cuttings from my own tubers, or buy cuttings from dahlia growers only. Halls of Heddon is a good starting place, but I can recommend some others as well. These are some of the dahlias I grow. This picture was taken after the heavy showers, so their looking a bit tattered . I get so much enjoyment from doing my own cuttings, but just love dahlias, especially the giants and large.. Happy growing and if you need any advice, this will be the place to find it. Don't be afraid to ask!!!
wow stunning Mark love it I have learned so much this year already ! From the successes and failures
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Post by Raymond on Aug 14, 2014 11:07:55 GMT
Some more of my first attempt Attachments:
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2014 12:51:28 GMT
Thanks newbie6. It's hard work but it's all worth it when they start flowering. I know exactly how you feel, I saw my first dahlia 5 years ago and was totally hooked. I've amassed a large collection of books, but once I found garden friends, I hardly use them, except for reference. I joined the National Dahlia Society, which I found to be very helpful. When I load my pictures, using Photobucket I find I get the best photos I can. Go to photobucket.com, register, and start uploading your pictures. You can use their editing tools, and when your happy with the photo, there are four options on the right hand side, click on direct copy, then, back on garden friends, create post, click on insert image(icon in between envelope and clapperboard) clear the box, then right click and paste, then press insert. One thing, where the curser is flashing, is where the picture will appear on the page, so make sure before you insert, the curser is where you want the picture to be, took me ages to work that one out . I've found great pleasure(and frustration!) in doing my own cuttings, but if you do that, you will need a frost free place to keep your tubers through the winter, then a heated greenhouse to start propagation from January onwards. The later you leave it, the more chance the tubers will become damaged by mould. Storing tubers is the biggest headache as there are so many different ways, and everybody seems to have their own opinion on the subject. Took me three winters to perfect what works for me. So if you go down that route, find what works for you and stick with it. On the subject of heights and spreads, The National Dahlia Collection do not give heights as the dahlia can grow to different heights depending on soil types and climates. I've found this to be true, as when ordering for a pacific height, I've ended up with the plant being too tall or too small. Colour is another variant, as this also changes depending on soil. Talking to dahlia showmen, it seems they grow what they know to be best for their soil, so don't be to despondent when your new dahlia doesn't quite achieve the colour in the advert or on the packet. This is where buying from dahlia growers of repute is essential. You'll find on the forum, that a few of the members supply great quality cuttings as I can testify, and there are a few more that I could recommend. Your list of dahlias is a bit like mine, scatter gun . A bit of everything, Though I do prefer the large and giants, mind, anything if it takes my fancy. I see on your list for 2105 you've got Weston Spanish dancer and kenora sunset. I grew the latter in my first year and loved the plant, this year, after much badgering from the wife I'm growing Weston Spanish dancer, which is so similar to kenora sunset, only the size makes the difference. But before you order plants for next year ask on the forum for recommendations, it will be worth it. I think I've rambled on a bit, but I hope some of it helps.
Mark
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Post by Raymond on Aug 14, 2014 14:21:42 GMT
This winter shall be interesting I have a very large old wood ottoman that I am planning to fill with crates lined in newspaper . Will cut down and lift tubors after first frosts wash tidy dry and brush with sulphur. Then individual bags with vermiculite and place then in labelled. might leave a couple in and see what happens with a mulch on top although I plan to lift most as the main dahlia bed will be my tulip and wallflower bed for spring. I have a summer house that is frost free and has power so I might invest in a heated propagator and try a few cuttings. To be honest I think I will change my entire stock of dahlias except for max 10 that I like. So much better value than my other plants bought this year now. Going to grow most of my own summer bedding also from seed.
The thing with dahlias I was shocked at is just how big they get ! Did not realise the size of the plants and I have definitely planted too close together. Also the supporting of them I underestimated will do things a lot better next year.
Have you used rose cottage plants for tubors ? Heard euro dahlia also good site. Ayletts also I heard was good.
Do you grow Eastwood moonlight ? Seems to be a popular one.
I will also add in a couple of anemone ones next year and some more waterlily ones.
I totally agree with your comment on the height I have 2 little tigers from same supplier potted up same to start one in dahlia bed and one in the front of my rose bed get equal sun but the rose one is a dwarf in comparison to its sibling plant.
I am also noticing some disease on some of my white cactus dahlias leaves turning yellow and looking not so great. I shall she what happens worst case they do in the bin or get burned. Had rotten gladioli bulbs this year go bad also.
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Post by Moonlight on Aug 14, 2014 15:05:51 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2014 16:37:23 GMT
This winter shall be interesting I have a very large old wood ottoman that I am planning to fill with crates lined in newspaper . Will cut down and lift tubors after first frosts wash tidy dry and brush with sulphur. Then individual bags with vermiculite and place then in labelled. might leave a couple in and see what happens with a mulch on top although I plan to lift most as the main dahlia bed will be my tulip and wallflower bed for spring. I have a summer house that is frost free and has power so I might invest in a heated propagator and try a few cuttings. To be honest I think I will change my entire stock of dahlias except for max 10 that I like. So much better value than my other plants bought this year now. Going to grow most of my own summer bedding also from seed. The thing with dahlias I was shocked at is just how big they get ! Did not realise the size of the plants and I have definitely planted too close together. Also the supporting of them I underestimated will do things a lot better next year. Have you used rose cottage plants for tubors ? Heard euro dahlia also good site. Ayletts also I heard was good. Do you grow Eastwood moonlight ? Seems to be a popular one. I will also add in a couple of anemone ones next year and some more waterlily ones. I totally agree with your comment on the height I have 2 little tigers from same supplier potted up same to start one in dahlia bed and one in the front of my rose bed get equal sun but the rose one is a dwarf in comparison to its sibling plant. I am also noticing some disease on some of my white cactus dahlias leaves turning yellow and looking not so great. I shall she what happens worst case they do in the bin or get burned. Had rotten gladioli bulbs this year go bad also. I live close to Ayletts and know the head dahlia gardener quite well. They don't do mail order anymore, but always have a good show in the dahlia field every year. You can buy field tubers, which are on sale in January, and then potted cuttings in April May time. Brought from Rose Cottage a couple of times, but stopped buying as you have to buy three tubers, which I find to many if you are using them for propagation, but good quality nonetheless. Eurodahlia are very good also. I'm hoping to get up there in September to see their displays if I can. Ridgeview Nursery is very good for cuttings, as is Woodford Dahlias and Whittypitts as well. Ryecroft Dahlias are also very good. If you go on Dahlia World you'll find a comprehensive list of suppliers. Dahlias are a bit open to virus and disease, a good spraying programme is of great benefit. I use SB plant invigorator once a week, this is an insecticide that the bugs cannot get used to, and also helps against mould and virus. I also spray once a month with a mould protector. So far this year, I've not had problems with either. Removing the bottom leaves also helps by letting more air flow around the plants, especially if you've planted to close!!
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Post by Tel on Aug 14, 2014 16:39:32 GMT
Do you grow Eastwood moonlight ? Seems to be a popular one. I will also add in a couple of anemone ones next year and some more waterlily ones. I'm growing Eastwood Moonlight.
I've grown a waterlily dahlia this year (This is actually only my 2nd year of growing dahlias, so I'm very much a beginner here).Edwin's Sunset - Gorgeous red. I really like the deep, dark coloured blooms.
It all depends on what you want from the blooms. Lots of people like the giants with their mega wow factor where as Miniature dahlias have a lot more blooms. I really like Weston dahlias, Weston Spanish Dancer and Weston Pirate which is another deep red colour both miniature.
If you are growing with one eye on potential show blooms, I recommend you go to see dahlia show. You don't have to go to the big National shows, lots of counties have their own County dahlia society show but not forgetting local horticultural shows. My town has horticultural shows and the dahlia classes are fiercely competitive.
If you do go to see dahlias at a show, you'll be able to discover which types you really like and what you really don't like. You can read the cards which are with each vase and then you write down varieties that you want to grow. That's what I do. Take photos and write down notes. The other thing you can have the opportunity to (if you are brave) is chat to exhibitors of the ones that you like - if you are feeling brave because once dahlia growers get going on their favourites subjects, they have a tendency to go on quite a bit. Its just a rumour Moonlight, we are shy retiring types in the world of Exhibiting of Dahlia's.
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Post by Raymond on Aug 14, 2014 18:16:35 GMT
Moonlight beautiful ! I will have to add eastwood moonlight and some waterlily to my selection for 2015. Are yours rown from tubor or cutting ?
Im not interested in showing blooms more what I like but I do like the showy types although colour, shape and size are important as I plant mixed beds. There was a very large Agapanthus in the Dahlia border that has been devoured by Black Touch also salvias, eryssiums, lupins,liatris,crocosima and somewhere underneath 24 gladioli ! HAHA I wont find them in bloom this year.
Next year planning to mix my Dahlias with Alstroemerias in New Front bed which I am starting from scratch this september along with perhaps phlox or pestemons or heleniums have not decided yet. I do know I want some very showy dahlias min 8inch flower size. Its been cleared but need to dig up the roots of Hardy Geraniums that the former owner of this house seemed to love and grow everywhere !
With the Dahlias I do love the dark foliage ones. I think moonfire although a single is a little cracker. Is there any larger ones dec or semi cactus with dark foliage ?
Planned to do lots today and its been thunder lightning and non stop rain to deal with. My begonias which where truly huge one has collapsed under its own weight so I have that to try and salvage.
This SB plant invigorator where do you buy it ?? I do think some of my dahlias are viral infected but only started now so as I am going to change most of them anyway I am leaving them in still flowering well. Have had issues with fungus this year on my roses and also sweetpeas I scrapped all the sweet peas about 4 weeks ago as ravaged by mildew ( I use Bayer Garden Fungus fighter and also Rose Clear) and luckily I had some asters growing from seed so put them in and fingers crossed about to flower.
Back to Dahlias :My Sir Alf Ramsey is looking slightly off colour some yellowing of leaves and some brown markings (started about 2 weeks ago over most of the plant) it is still growing bigger and bigger in a large terracotta pot but not a sign of a bud yet ( got this as a tubor from unwins along with pooh, moms special and thomas edison) How big does it get ? Dont have canes big enough for it ! Enormous plant.
I will look into the Kent Dahlia society as I am based south east London in Catford about 15 mins from Bromley. I heard Dave Spencer is the King of that area. Saw him on youtube now he has a fantastic growing setup. Big Plot very organised and tidy.
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Post by Raymond on Aug 14, 2014 18:32:06 GMT
I live close to Ayletts and know the head dahlia gardener quite well. They don't do mail order anymore, but always have a good show in the dahlia field every year. You can buy field tubers, which are on sale in January, and then potted cuttings in April May time. Brought from Rose Cottage a couple of times, but stopped buying as you have to buy three tubers, which I find to many if you are using them for propagation, but good quality nonetheless. Eurodahlia are very good also. I'm hoping to get up there in September to see their displays if I can. Ridgeview Nursery is very good for cuttings, as is Woodford Dahlias and Whittypitts as well. Ryecroft Dahlias are also very good. If you go on Dahlia World you'll find a comprehensive list of suppliers. Dahlias are a bit open to virus and disease, a good spraying programme is of great benefit. I use SB plant invigorator once a week, this is an insecticide that the bugs cannot get used to, and also helps against mould and virus. I also spray once a month with a mould protector. So far this year, I've not had problems with either. Removing the bottom leaves also helps by letting more air flow around the plants, especially if you've planted to close!!
MARK THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL THE ADVISE. EVERYONE ON HERE HAS BEEN FANTASTIC ALREADY. YOU CAN TELL PEOPLE LOVE TO GROW DAHLIAS. CAN I ASK WHERE YOU GET THE SB PLANT INVIGORATOR FROM ?? I HAVE HAD AN ISSUE WITH LEAF AND BUD DAMAGE ONLY MAINLY ON MY WHITE DAHLIAS ALTHOUGH TODAY NOTICED IT ON LAKE MICHIGAN. THE LEAVES HAVE SOME HOLES AND LOOKED DEFORMED ALMOST LIKE THEY ARE BEING EATEN FROM INSIDE. HAVE NOTICED IT ON 4 DAHLIAS SO FAR I USED ULTIMATE BUG KILLER WHICH SEEMED TO HELP BUT PROBLEM IS REOCCURING.
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Post by Raymond on Aug 14, 2014 20:29:51 GMT
Does anyone know what this is started on white semi cactus now spreading to others viral oyr pest ? Any ideas ?
Have treated with ultimate bug killer some have fought through and healthy now above but just concerned what is causing it.
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Post by Raymond on Aug 14, 2014 20:35:12 GMT
Some more images also my sir Alf Ramsey not looking great .
Also Certain ones the leaves turning yellow and looking I'll. Have been fed and sprayed both for fungus and pests.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2014 21:02:31 GMT
I get SB invigorator from LBS buyers guide, they are a wholesale company. Go on their website and you'll see what I mean. Don't be put of by opening an account, just apply, and when the drop down menu appears you'll see all the occupations, click on hobby gardener and away you go. I get all my pots and trays, and composts. delivery is £4.95 under £120, over is free. It's even better if you have some friends who want to order as well, the more you buy the cheaper. Let me know how you get on. If you can't be bothered with that, just put the product in your search engine.
Mark
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