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Post by MarkE on Aug 22, 2014 10:25:59 GMT
I'm sure I've heard mentioned on you tube I think, that people further south can't grow any of the moonlights is this true? and if so why?
I can't say for as far down as St. Ives but round London Kent etc. can grow it. it was a dave gillam video I think so I'm not sure why it would be unless I've miss understood something. |
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Post by MarkE on Aug 22, 2014 10:42:37 GMT
How far south are you talking? Eastwood Moonlight was raised in Essex. I don't know which parts of the country the Eastwood Moonlight sports came from.
I can't say for as far down as St. Ives but round London Kent etc. can grow it. it was a dave gillam video I think so I'm not sure why it would be unless I've miss understood something. or maybe I'm mixed up it could have been the kiwis or maybe I've made it up in my head haha! |
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Post by Raymond on Aug 22, 2014 11:05:03 GMT
When I go to Kent show I will check the moonlights and post pictures.
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Post by markb on Aug 22, 2014 11:24:26 GMT
I'm sure I've heard mentioned on you tube I think, that people further south can't grow any of the moonlights is this true? and if so why? It's not so much a case of not being able to grow moonlights, rather that for exhibition purposes at National level, growers in the south struggle to grow the moonlight family and the kiwi family to the same high standard as the northern growers. That's why when 'Hillcrest Candy' was released the likes of Dave Spencer, Dave Gillam etc jumped at the chance to grow an alternative to moonlights. |
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Post by MarkE on Aug 22, 2014 11:46:18 GMT
I'm sure I've heard mentioned on you tube I think, that people further south can't grow any of the moonlights is this true? and if so why? It's not so much a case of not being able to grow moonlights, rather that for exhibition purposes at National level, growers in the south struggle to grow the moonlight family and the kiwi family to the same high standard as the northern growers. That's why when 'Hillcrest Candy' was released the likes of Dave Spencer, Dave Gillam etc jumped at the chance to grow an alternative to moonlights. thanks Mark so does it come down to a climate thing? |
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Post by markb on Aug 22, 2014 12:18:42 GMT
That's the belief. The northern growers have generally cooler conditions so the buds open slower giving a fuller end bloom.
I tried for several years to grow moonlights without success - garden being near enough sea level. Yet we had a grower not too far away who won the six vase championship at the National with moonlights - his garden was some 800ft above sea level, cool and windy even in high summer.
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Post by MarkE on Aug 22, 2014 13:02:09 GMT
That's the belief. The northern growers have generally cooler conditions so the buds open slower giving a fuller end bloom. I tried for several years to grow moonlights without success - garden being near enough sea level. Yet we had a grower not too far away who won the six vase championship at the National with moonlights - his garden was some 800ft above sea level, cool and windy even in high summer. might be worth me trying them I'm about 10 miles from Scotland at about 900ft. I suppose it's just finding what suites your ground and location best, cheers |
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Post by Raymond on Aug 22, 2014 14:46:49 GMT
I am in south east London just on the Kent border 15mins from bromley. I found my early blooms not very full and they came and went quickly. The ones in the last 2 weeks much nicer with more depth and fullness as the weather has cooled. Noticed it more so on decorative, ball and poms. Semi cactus and cactus not such a noticeable difference
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Post by gareth on Aug 22, 2014 16:32:53 GMT
I'm sure I've heard mentioned on you tube I think, that people further south can't grow any of the moonlights is this true? and if so why? It's not so much a case of not being able to grow moonlights, rather that for exhibition purposes at National level, growers in the south struggle to grow the moonlight family and the kiwi family to the same high standard as the northern growers. That's why when 'Hillcrest Candy' was released the likes of Dave Spencer, Dave Gillam etc jumped at the chance to grow an alternative to moonlights. I suffer a similar problem trying to grow the Moonlight's in West Wales. No matter what i do i can't get a decent plant or bloom off them they seem really susceptible to rain damage, but Hillcrest Candy seems to grow much better and less damaged by rain too.
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Post by Moonlight on Aug 22, 2014 18:14:30 GMT
I'm sure I've heard mentioned on you tube I think, that people further south can't grow any of the moonlights is this true? and if so why? It's not so much a case of not being able to grow moonlights, rather that for exhibition purposes at National level, growers in the south struggle to grow the moonlight family and the kiwi family to the same high standard as the northern growers. That's why when 'Hillcrest Candy' was released the likes of Dave Spencer, Dave Gillam etc jumped at the chance to grow an alternative to moonlights. |
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Post by Tel on Aug 22, 2014 19:02:55 GMT
Eastwood Moonlight is a August Bloom for me, come September on still damp nights it marks up for me.  |
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Post by Raymond on Aug 27, 2014 19:59:54 GMT
Looking forward to this opening up fully garden variety large Dec called mom's special. Been ravaged by the rain but it survived.  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 20:33:58 GMT
The Candy's and especially the moonlights without weather protection spells disaster.
The majority of smalls upwards need to be covered.
Stick to miniatures, poms and a few small balls if you have no way of protecting them from the weather. The British weather takes no prisoners
Imagine a Sir Alf after Sundays wind and rain.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 20:42:04 GMT
I'm sure I've heard mentioned on you tube I think, that people further south can't grow any of the moonlights is this true? and if so why? It's not so much a case of not being able to grow moonlights, rather that for exhibition purposes at National level, growers in the south struggle to grow the moonlight family and the kiwi family to the same high standard as the northern growers. That's why when 'Hillcrest Candy' was released the likes of Dave Spencer, Dave Gillam etc jumped at the chance to grow an alternative to moonlights. Spot on markb. The moonlights are very sensitive to both climate but mainly soil condition. Southern England has quite a high chalk content which does not favour growing the moonlights. |
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Post by Raymond on Aug 27, 2014 20:54:28 GMT
The Candy's and especially the moonlights without weather protection spells disaster. The majority of smalls upwards need to be covered. Stick to miniatures, poms and a few small balls if you have no way of protecting them from the weather. The British weather takes no prisoners Imagine a Sir Alf after Sundays wind and rain. Sir Alf not even budding yet and is huge. And the stupid think is its in a pot ! Going smaller for next year if I choose in the future to exhibit and wi pick accordingly. Still going to get my med and large I want as I like them in the garden but zero giants don't look right in mixed borders to me although amazing flowers. Here is sir Alf in a pot !  |
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