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Post by Moonlight on Feb 9, 2015 9:16:03 GMT
Dikara moon white charlie two,two med cactus any ideas? joan walker and another small dec not sure, trelyn kiwi and ruskin andrea, mooreplace gurtla and hallmark, that's It no more mind changing!  ) grow for. |
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Post by Tel on Feb 9, 2015 9:37:07 GMT
Dikara moon white charlie two,two med cactus any ideas? joan walker and another small dec not sure, trelyn kiwi and ruskin andrea, mooreplace gurtla and hallmark, that's It no more mind changing! Winholme Diane if you have covers, Brenda T without covers. |
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Post by Tel on Feb 9, 2015 9:38:43 GMT
Just downloaded the application form to register Wyn's Favourite with the RHS.  |
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Just downloaded the application form to register Wyn's Favourite with the RHS. Good luck Tel |
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Post by Raymond on Feb 9, 2015 9:57:17 GMT
It depends on the cuttings Tel. That will be the decider Have not started yet. As landlord won't let me set up in garage So far. Doing my head in  full of his crap ! that he won't let me sort through and organise. Got a vitopod sitting here a heat mat and 2 sets of grow lights all unused. Might use my bedroom but not really space So I might be buying in a load Or asking for some big big favours. Or see what is at my society plant sale. The main show one's in numbers are and this is only one show I am aiming for . 2016 would need to be edited more again. Again depends on many things. Hillcrest candy x 8 ryecroft zoe x 7 Hillcrest jersie x 8 (being propagated elsewhere) Another small x 6 to 8 ( coming as plants) Kelsea Carla x 6 ( coming as plants ) staleen condessa x 6 ( coming as plants) Winholm Diane x 7 senzoe Ursula x 7 dikara superb x 6 ( coming as plants) Mary's jomanda x 6 Weston pirate x 5 Clearview Sundance x 2 a trial I have dropped the kiwi for this year being a chicken. Just going to try one Gloria and one trelyn as a trial. All others I have will be singles and doubles . I will try and do 3 or four kenora sunset. as I like bi colour . I won't be posting for a while the situation is making me feel ill  so  off You cannot believe. All the best |
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Post by MarkE on Feb 9, 2015 10:00:52 GMT
Dikara moon white charlie two,two med cactus any ideas? joan walker and another small dec not sure, trelyn kiwi and ruskin andrea, mooreplace gurtla and hallmark, that's It no more mind changing! haha yes it's difficult! I think that might be too many with a new baby arriving in may, maybe getting a bit carried away! |
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Post by Moonlight on Feb 9, 2015 10:30:32 GMT
Hi Raymond, my opinion is for what it is worth for me Val's Candy Is a better Dahlia on my land than Candy as a back up as is De la Haye my first choice will always be either Cream or Eastwood Moonlight. Pastelle is very good indeed it has a tendency to fim a little even more so in hot weather (does not grow well for me) Staleen Condessa is a cracking Dahlia tends not to damp off the same as the Moonlights it has a great growth habit with neat blooms of great depth. The centres can become isolated ( or cup and saucer) great colour not a very good tuber maker (pot tuber some plants)
Also from reading posts here there have been times when people have given a variety another go after a few years break. Maybe you (as in any of us that grow dahlias) become a better grower through experience, maybe particular varieties come back into fashion / become more popular.
It's easy to think in black or white but with dahlias we shouldn't as there is such a rainbow of colours and choices available (we might have the white but as of yet while we do have very dark dahlias, there isn't a true black black dahlia  ). Life would be boring if we all grew the same thing and there wouldn't be much point in raising seedlings, if nobody wanted to grow them.
Last year I grew 2 very ugly dahlias (as perceived by established exhibitors) but I loved them because they were a bit different. Being the rebel in me I wanted to show them because they were a bit different and received some raised eyebrows and some comments. Also was put off growing a dahlia because it was described as ugly but the person who grew it loved it and I loved the colour to. So I'm going to give it a try and hope that mine will have better form than the one exhibited.
Last year I learnt that if I decide to be a bit of a rebel and exhibit something a bit more unusual, I need to develop a thicker skin. To be honest I don't think I have one, so I doubt that I will, unless I have a super seedling, risk entering anything striking but a little bit different to the regular placed varieties.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2015 17:34:45 GMT
I think it's a dilemma, for people who start growing for garden display, who then go on to become a showman. You start out, to grow as many dahlias you can, without any knowledge of what's garden, and what's show types. The more colourful and brash the better. Then you discover the world of show dahlias, as you search for more knowledge. You want to grow better blooms, so you sought out the advice from experts, buying books and CD's, anything that can help really. Before you know it, you're buying all the gear that the showman uses, and then you treat yourself to a dahlia show, and bang, you want to grow blooms just like them. This is where the dilemma comes. If you choose to show, you can't grow your lovely brash dahlias, and your newly acquired show ones. You simply won't have time to concentrate on both. Garden or show, it's like a tug of war, one or the other. If you choose garden, that's okay, but I think you'll always regret not trying, at least one season on the bench. Because that's what dahlias do to you. Their colours, shapes, and sheer beauty, demands you grow them to the best of your ability. But here comes the kicker.... If you go down the show route, you have to accept, that you will be confined to a certain amount of varieties. You might not like it, but you have get on with it, because what is the point of showing, if you don't want to win. And you can only do so, using blooms from varieties that have a proven record on the bench, and conform to size and shape. This will be my first attempt at showing, and I will miss having lots of brash and bold varieties, and my lovely display will be sadly regimental, with show dahlias. So unless you have plenty of space, and time of course, you could do both. But I should imagine for most growers, it's one or the other.
Hope some of that makes sense, it's just my view on display or show, and does not reflect the view of the management |
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Post by Lou78W on Feb 9, 2015 17:43:15 GMT
I think it's a dilemma, for people who start growing for garden display, who then go on to become a showman. You start out, to grow as many dahlias you can, without any knowledge of what's garden, and what's show types. The more colourful and brash the better. Then you discover the world of show dahlias, as you search for more knowledge. You want to grow better blooms, so you sought out the advice from experts, buying books and CD's, anything that can help really. Before you know it, you're buying all the gear that the showman uses, and then you treat yourself to a dahlia show, and bang, you want to grow blooms just like them. This is where the dilemma comes. If you choose to show, you can't grow your lovely brash dahlias, and your newly acquired show ones. You simply won't have time to concentrate on both. Garden or show, it's like a tug of war, one or the other. If you choose garden, that's okay, but I think you'll always regret not trying, at least one season on the bench. Because that's what dahlias do to you. Their colours, shapes, and sheer beauty, demands you grow them to the best of your ability. But here comes the kicker.... If you go down the show route, you have to accept, that you will be confined to a certain amount of varieties. You might not like it, but you have get on with it, because what is the point of showing, if you don't want to win. And you can only do so, using blooms from varieties that have a proven record on the bench, and conform to size and shape. This will be my first attempt at showing, and I will miss having lots of brash and bold varieties, and my lovely display will be sadly regimental, with show dahlias. So unless you have plenty of space, and time of course, you could do both. But I should imagine for most growers, it's one or the other.
Hope some of that makes sense, it's just my view on display or show, and does not reflect the view of the management Well said Mark ! |
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Post by cici on Feb 9, 2015 18:13:40 GMT
Hi Raymond, my opinion is for what it is worth for me Val's Candy Is a better Dahlia
Last year I grew 2 very ugly dahlias (as perceived by established exhibitors) but I loved them because they were a bit different. Being the rebel in me I wanted to show them because they were a bit different and received some raised eyebrows and some comments.
This is a constant struggle for even seasoned hybridizers over in the states, as well. Notches in the ball petals can make for a wonderful-looking bloom, but it will be docked points every time on the show bench. Cactus forms CAN NOT have split ends and make the head table, but they sure are pretty! The first show I judged at was an eye-opener, as I had discussions about these very things with my co-judges AND the well-known hybridizer about his entry after the judging. We have 'People's Choice' awards over here at shows to allow those non-conforming blooms to be seen by the public with pride. In artistic baskets, form is not looked at, but the overall creativity and effect the piece has on the observer. The ongoing success behind dahlia shows is the STRUCTURE of how to distinguish a 'good' form from 'bad.' Otherwise, shows would be free-for-alls with no equalizing factor to compare blooms with. I would highly recommend becoming a judge for anyone starting to show. Once you know what judges are looking for, it takes the mystery out of why some make the head table, and others are pushed back. |
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Post by scrumpy on Feb 9, 2015 18:39:33 GMT
I think it's a dilemma, for people who start growing for garden display, who then go on to become a showman. You start out, to grow as many dahlias you can, without any knowledge of what's garden, and what's show types. The more colourful and brash the better. Then you discover the world of show dahlias, as you search for more knowledge. You want to grow better blooms, so you sought out the advice from experts, buying books and CD's, anything that can help really. Before you know it, you're buying all the gear that the showman uses, and then you treat yourself to a dahlia show, and bang, you want to grow blooms just like them. This is where the dilemma comes. If you choose to show, you can't grow your lovely brash dahlias, and your newly acquired show ones. You simply won't have time to concentrate on both. Garden or show, it's like a tug of war, one or the other. If you choose garden, that's okay, but I think you'll always regret not trying, at least one season on the bench. Because that's what dahlias do to you. Their colours, shapes, and sheer beauty, demands you grow them to the best of your ability. But here comes the kicker.... If you go down the show route, you have to accept, that you will be confined to a certain amount of varieties. You might not like it, but you have get on with it, because what is the point of showing, if you don't want to win. And you can only do so, using blooms from varieties that have a proven record on the bench, and conform to size and shape. This will be my first attempt at showing, and I will miss having lots of brash and bold varieties, and my lovely display will be sadly regimental, with show dahlias. So unless you have plenty of space, and time of course, you could do both. But I should imagine for most growers, it's one or the other.
Hope some of that makes sense, it's just my view on display or show, and does not reflect the view of the management A lot of show dahlias make good garden displays, so if you don't want to exhibit then you may as well still buy the show dahlias. They will be 10 times better than true garden display ones. |
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Post by scrumpy on Feb 9, 2015 18:45:30 GMT
Provided judges "judge" on merit and not personal taste then I'd agree.
I've seen and heard "judges" questioning other judges awarding of prizes.
Judging isn't always black and white.
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Post by Cat on Feb 9, 2015 19:30:57 GMT
Just downloaded the application form to register Wyn's Favourite with the RHS. Exciting stuff! Tel |
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Post by Tel on Feb 9, 2015 19:34:13 GMT
How times have changed, when I wanted to get into this showing lark, I aimed for the novice class at my local show, I needed 3 blooms, i bought 6 plants of one variety, now it seems we have to enter as many classes as we can. There is now the danger of running before we can walk and been disappointed with the results, therefore may be discouraged from further shows in future. Start small and learn from others. growing too many varieties is Stress you do not need in your first season, its supposed to be fun has well as competitive. |
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full of his crap ! that he won't let me sort through and organise. Got a vitopod sitting here a heat mat and 2 sets of grow lights all unused. Might use my bedroom but not really space 
so 
off You cannot believe. 
). Life would be boring if we all grew the same thing and there wouldn't be much point in raising seedlings, if nobody wanted to grow them.
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