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Post by ste b on Feb 9, 2015 19:57:36 GMT
How times have changed, when I wanted to get into this showing lark, I aimed for the novice class at my local show, I needed 3 blooms, i bought 6 plants of one variety, now it seems we have to enter as many classes as we can. There is now the danger of running before we can walk and been disappointed with the results, therefore may be discouraged from further shows in future. Start small and learn from others. growing too many varieties is Stress you do not need in your first season, its supposed to be fun has well as competitive.  Well said Tel that's how I started in showing novice for 2 years , then I hit the bench big time. |
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Post by Raymond on Feb 9, 2015 20:04:30 GMT
Tel I will cut my varieties again I will more than likely have to source plants. Will split the tubers I have and grow from them. @alicetitwick you are not funny. I find your comments hurtful and a cheap shot at a laugh. Bye all.
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Post by cici on Feb 9, 2015 20:04:46 GMT
Provided judges "judge" on merit and not personal taste then I'd agree. I've seen and heard "judges" questioning other judges awarding of prizes. Judging isn't always black and white. I'm with you there... BUT I don't think it CAN ever be totally black and white, especially when you're comparing several amazing entries with only slight flaws in each one, but there can be only one winner. Personal preference is sometimes what breaks a tie, but it can certainly get in the way, too. I've been in a scuffle myself when judging where a PERFECT entry in every way, and had clearly superior form in my eyes, was pushed back because of the other judge's interpretation of the correct color for the variety. That entry was probably the only one shaded, and was darker with slightly different color tones. That bias for the lighter color blew me away, but had to swallow the judgement as I was outnumbered. Gotta shrug, and move on to the next set of entries with a smile. |
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Post by ste b on Feb 9, 2015 20:15:24 GMT
Provided judges "judge" on merit and not personal taste then I'd agree. I've seen and heard "judges" questioning other judges awarding of prizes. Judging isn't always black and white. Ive heard them to srumpy , but they usually get it right but I agree with you there is a grey area on what they like and dislike and can sway what you grow , am a miniature grower and looks like am growing Dikara Superb again !!! |
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Post by Ian k on Feb 9, 2015 22:14:28 GMT
Hi everyone I must take my hat off to Mr Sutherland for revealing his tricks off the trade I made a fleece frame and put it over my tubers on Saturday morning looked at tubers tonight and their has been an explosion of little eyes on my tubers one tuber of Trooper Dan has an 1/2inch cutting on it that was not there on Saturday once again thanks Ian
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Post by ian on Feb 9, 2015 23:31:19 GMT
Thanks for that Ian, I have very few secrets I would rather share my thoughts with other for the greater good. Mark well said also Scrumpy and Tel. I also entered the Novices at Harrogate once then into the deep end. Nearly all Dahlia showmen will help one another on the night and most will tell if asked.
It is very true to have some success you may need to choose your varieties for showing that appear in the top twenty ( top twenty from The National and Harrogate) "the ones that win" you can win with others.
There are some very poor judges out there and if they were to judge as they should judging what they see on the bench and mark out of 30 instead of what they like. Then we would get the correct results most of the time. When judging we should always judge what is before us as it is at that time, we are not judging personalities and should not have any preferences.
Scrumpy is right many show varieties do make excellent displays. I have also got to agree trying to do everything showing and display is very difficult and not an easy act to pull off.
Showing is great and winning is better once you have the bug and some success you will want more. It does not become easier once you set your standards stick to it and do not accept anything less than.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2015 7:56:43 GMT
Must be Trooper Dan, ian k. Mine are the same, an inch high, way ahead of all the others. Rather than a fleece covered frame, I've got a bubblewrap curtain cutting the greenhouse in half. Saves a fortune on leccy . But do like the sound of the fleece frame job, will have a look for next year. |
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Post by Lou78W on Feb 10, 2015 8:01:15 GMT
I've had a little fleece frame over some very tiny tubers in pots on my heated bench over the winter, I'm pleased to report there are signs of life in them (much to my surprise).....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2015 8:20:08 GMT
How times have changed, when I wanted to get into this showing lark, I aimed for the novice class at my local show, I needed 3 blooms, i bought 6 plants of one variety, now it seems we have to enter as many classes as we can. There is now the danger of running before we can walk and been disappointed with the results, therefore may be discouraged from further shows in future. Start small and learn from others. growing too many varieties is Stress you do not need in your first season, its supposed to be fun has well as competitive. Yes Tel, times have certainly changed. The World Wide Web has seen to that . Knowledge at your finger tips, access to so much more information, email, to contact experts in any given field, including dahlias. Some people say, to much knowledge is a bad thing, but a little more knowledge can help you archive so much more. From a personal point of view, I'd be stressed, whether I was growing 6 plants, or 60  . I'm just looking forward to a new challenge, with all the stresses, delights, failures, success, and friendships it brings
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Post by scrumpy on Feb 10, 2015 8:32:09 GMT
Thanks for that Ian, I have very few secrets I would rather share my thoughts with other for the greater good. Mark well said also Scrumpy and Tel. I also entered the Novices at Harrogate once then into the deep end. Nearly all Dahlia showmen will help one another on the night and most will tell if asked. It is very true to have some success you may need to choose your varieties for showing that appear in the top twenty ( top twenty from The National and Harrogate) "the ones that win" you can win with others. There are some very poor judges out there and if they were to judge as they should judging what they see on the bench and mark out of 30 instead of what they like. Then we would get the correct results most of the time. When judging we should always judge what is before us as it is at that time, we are not judging personalities and should not have any preferences. Scrumpy is right many show varieties do make excellent displays. I have also got to agree trying to do everything showing and display is very difficult and not an easy act to pull off. Showing is great and winning is better once you have the bug and some success you will want more. It does not become easier once you set your standards stick to it and do not accept anything less than. Again, it's a question of varieties. All of my smalls and miniatures, as they aren't covered, are grown primarily for display and when show time comes I cut what's ready. Naturally I time them as best as possible to be ready when I want them, but the growing methods for display/exhibition are identical. So when people say they are growing some for display, some for exhibition, I bet they'll find the display ones are just as good. If they choose the right varieties that is. |
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Post by robh on Feb 10, 2015 15:48:08 GMT
i cover my tubers with a frost fleece i have takeing about 70 cuttings so far good stock from ian k i have still got a lot of tubers that havent came yet but have some that when i have checked have just crumbled can any one tell me why that happens i have got the gas on in the greenhouse i have about 80 tubers on heat my problem is keeping cuttings im trying different ideas at the moment i have my cuttings in 2 inch pots with different mediums i have them inon the top shelf of the greenhouse but covered so they dont get burnt buy the sun is this ok as i said i heat the whole greenhouse but have my tomatoes on the go as well im haveing to turn the heat off duering the day as its in full sunlight from about 9 in the morning temp about 70 and through the nite about 60
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Post by MarkE on Feb 11, 2015 19:20:15 GMT
Anyone had plants from lochend? They seem the cheapest about!
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Post by robh on Feb 11, 2015 21:03:02 GMT
i have had plants from them they were alright and they put a few extra in my order have ordered some again this year
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Post by Raymond on Feb 11, 2015 21:12:21 GMT
They have a large selection as well. Have not ordered from them. Just halls and station house so far.
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Post by Raymond on Feb 11, 2015 21:44:44 GMT
The heat goes on this weekend. Cuttings will be cold rooted as no choice. Into the unknown we go. Cuttings virgin ! Hahaha
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